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Scoreboard Page - Need Ideas
Posted by Allan Sellers on Monday, May. 9th, 2011 at 11:27 PM

 

Hi guys,

With the new scores page, I'm hoping to put in some extra stuff like "player of the game" along with some pre-game stats for the preview pages.

First, what kind of info would you like to see for the preview pages?

Second, and I need help here…HOW should I determine the player of the game?  Its almost like I need a weighting for each stat…like for a pitcher a strikeout is 1 pt, a HR allowed is minus 1, and so on.  A grand slam is 10 points…etc.  Can I get some thoughts?  It doesn't have to be all encompassing, just a start.

It would go here:

http://www.olmec.org/tmbl_test/scores.php?type=results&date=2011-05-09

And if you have other ideas for the scoreboard page, please post!

Readers Comments

Pre-game Statistics:

Perhaps for the starting pitchers, show performance over their last five starts:

W - L - IP - ERA - SO - BB

Brian Beerman on Tuesday, May. 10th, 2011 at 6:27 AM
 

Would be nice to show players on a hot/cold streak (ie... highlight Andre Eithier's 30-game hitting streak) or players who have hit .500 over their past 10 games, or something like that... 

Rob Peterson on Tuesday, May. 10th, 2011 at 3:22 PM
 

The more I think of it, I'm not so sure we really need a Player of the Game.  Seems like a lot of work (for Al) to determine criteria that is consistent across multiple areas of the game that use completely different statistics to gauge productivity.

Brian Beerman on Tuesday, May. 10th, 2011 at 6:10 PM
 

I'd much rather have the option of beaning a player intentionally added, before spending time on coding player of the game criteria.

Dave Dohm on Tuesday, May. 10th, 2011 at 6:40 PM
 

Beaning is naughty and against the rules. Much better is to have a fan reach out and grab a ball that's just falling short of the wall. Nobody gets hurt and we all get a good laugh.  :)

James Andrew on Tuesday, May. 10th, 2011 at 11:04 PM
 

I also like the idea of showing hot and cold players.   As far as player of the game, it might be easier to break into 2 different awards.  Offensive player of the game and Pitcher of the game.  For offensive player of the game you could do a scoring system like this:

ï»single = 1 pt

ï»double = 2 pts

ï»triple = 3 pts

ï»homerun = 4 pts

ï»rbi = 1 pt

ï»run  = 1pt

ï»sb = 1pt

ï»strikeout = -1

Brent Hermack on Wednesday, May. 11th, 2011 at 3:40 AM
 

Whats up with the enter key giving me this weird symbol ï» ?

Brent Hermack on Wednesday, May. 11th, 2011 at 3:41 AM
 

Brent, I didn't like that model at first but expanding upon it (yes I am going to make it even more involved and confusing):

Total Bases (TB): 0 thru 4 per PA

*Men Left on Base (LOB): -7 thru 0 per PA

Runs (R), Runs Batted In: per game x 2

Stolen Bases (SB): per game

Caught Stealing (CS), Strikeout (K): per game x -1

Hit Into Double Play (DP): -4 per AB

Sacrifice: per game x 0.5

Game Winning RBI : inning#

Fielding error: -2 per error

The LOB is probably the least familiar but should affect the player of the game (POG) the most.  Making an out with no one on base is forgivable.  A player is always going to make more outs than reach base safely (okay, there are some greater than .500 OBPs out there) however if a teammate has reached base, the least the player at bat can do is to allow that teammate an opportunity** to score.  **Not necessarily drive them in, not even move them over but to not strand them to end an inning.

* -7 is bases load, -6 men on 2nd and 3rd, ..., -1 man on 1st; basically 3rd base occupied is worth 4, 2nd base is 2 and 1st base is 1 with the negative indicating that the player was removed from those bases due to being stranded, aka LOB.

Rob Baptiste on Wednesday, May. 11th, 2011 at 9:54 AM
 

I like the idea of a player of the game, and I like how RobB has expanded on Brent's idea, but I don't think there should be a separate category for pitchers versus hitters. 

RobB,

Can you come up with a corresponding set of points for pitching categories (strikeouts, walks, hits, runners stranded, ER... etc)

Rob Peterson on Wednesday, May. 11th, 2011 at 8:48 PM
 

Did a pitching counterpart to the hitting formula ever come about?

Rob Peterson on Thursday, May. 26th, 2011 at 5:59 PM
 

Not yet, so what's been implemented is based on hitting. 

Allan Sellers on Thursday, May. 26th, 2011 at 10:56 PM
 

Oh, sorry... will try to come up with something.  

Rob Baptiste on Sunday, May. 29th, 2011 at 7:39 PM
 

Hi, Allan and Rob... I just realized that the updated SOG formula is not in use or that I did not even provide it.  The biggest difference is Game Winning Run [Scored].  For Game ID 58, it'd mean that Pablo Sandoval would be the SOG.  GWRS = INN/2 or maybe it was INN/3 nw that I think of it.... the latter makes it Sandoval 12, Roberts 12.5 (hate to give a 1 for 6 the SOG but he BB'd 3x and ROE so he technically only made outs 4 of his 9 PAs).  Perhaps the -1 for a K is too penalizing - thinking -0.5.  LOBs are what really matter; the K penalty was basically for not allowing the runner to advance a base.  My paper is at work but I'll post the updated version and hopefully the preliminary pitching version.

Rob Baptiste on Monday, May. 30th, 2011 at 10:46 AM
 

Hi, Allan and Rob... I just realized that the updated SOG formula is not in use or that I did not even provide it.  The biggest difference is Game Winning Run [Scored].  For Game ID 58, it'd mean that Pablo Sandoval would be the SOG.  GWRS = INN/2 or maybe it was INN/3 nw that I think of it.... the latter makes it Sandoval 12, Roberts 12.5 (hate to give a 1 for 6 the SOG but he BB'd 3x and ROE so he technically only made outs 4 of his 9 PAs).  Perhaps the -1 for a K is too penalizing - thinking -0.5.  LOBs are what really matter; the K penalty was basically for not allowing the runner to advance a base.  My paper is at work but I'll post the updated version and hopefully the preliminary pitching version.

Rob Baptiste on Monday, May. 30th, 2011 at 10:46 AM
 

 

Possible pitching formula base

BF - H - BB + (K*2) - (ER*2) + PO + CS + W - L

BF = Batters Faced
 
H = Hits allowed
 
BB = Base on Balls issued
 
K = Strikeouts
 
ER = Earned Runs allowed
 
PO = Putouts
 
CS = Pickoff (caught stealing)
 
I thought a pitcher had more control than this.  Am I missing some fundamentals??  
 
W = Win
 
L = Loss
Rob Baptiste on Friday, Jun. 3rd, 2011 at 7:43 PM
 

Tweaked my proposed pitching SPOG formula by dividing the total by 3.

Cliff Lee: 31-3-1+(4*2)-(0*2)+0+0+1=36/3 = 12

Jered Weaver: 29-8-0+(4*2)-(4*2)+0+0-1=20/3 = 6.6666

Jim Edmonds: 4+(3*2)+1-(3/2)+(1/2)=10

Cliff Lee would deserving get SPOG with formulas adjusted.  The Out penalty is 0.5 rather than 0.25; have just been using 2.0 per DP.

Homeruns are still weighted rather heavily.  It's a 4 via total bases but also 1 run scored and 1 RBI at the very least.  I'm thinking adding 3 to the subtotal before dividing by 3 (same as just adding 1) for CG (complete game).  Perhaps the hits allowed should be total bases allowed.  Surrendering seeing eye singles is much different than just missed being a HR by 2 feet doubles I suppose. Lee's SPOG factor would increase to 13.

Rob Baptiste on Saturday, Jun. 11th, 2011 at 3:45 AM