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New/Final Poll- How many teams per division should make the playoffs?
Posted by Allan Sellers on Sunday, Jul. 24th, 2011 at 2:56 PM

 

Option A - Top 2 in each division advance to the playoffs.

Option B - Top 3 in each division advance to the playoffs.

Once we determine this we will need to review/finalize the rules in case we have ties at the end of the regular season AND to discuss playoff usage % for players.

I realize you guys had some other approaches too, but these are the ones I have on the table for a vote…

Originally we tied on voting for each option and I broke the tie with going for the Top 2 approach.  Others approached me that they might have voted the other way so I will do this again as I DO want to set a precedent and continue going that route.

Now, some things to consider:

1) For Option A, the first place team gets a 'minor' one-game home field advantage in the playoffs for all their hard work.  But that's the way it is in reality too.  

2) For Option B, the first place team would get a bye in the first series.  They get the added advantage of not using players (so some extra usage availability) and get to set their rotation.

The 2nd place team that earned that spot now has to play the team below them (best of 5 or 7 TBD).   Option A is probably more advantageous to 2nd place as they would then be on the same 'pitching rotation/usage' terms as the 1st place team they play.  But now, they have to beat a team below them AND probably go against the 1st place team without their best pitcher in games 1 and 2 (possibly).

The 3rd place team of course has an advantage here as they get to play in the playoffs and not watch.

In summary, I think a top-2 system is better for the teams that earned their place there.  The top-3 system is better for keeping most everyone in it until the final week or two of the season.   

So let's go one more round of this voting.  Honestly I'd expect everyone to vote this time as I want your feedback and I'm not going to do this a 3rd time.  All votes should be cast by Sunday, July 31st.  

Readers Comments

If 1 team per division was an option I'd go that route.  As there does exist in real baseball now the wildcard, I guess I just have to get used to the fact that (a) the are more teams now than back in the mid 70's so the 1 team per division thing is antiquated (b) $$$. It makes more sense to sell more: tickets, concession and especially TV.  This isn't an actual simulation of an existing league but our own so let's keep as many people interested as possible.

Rob Baptiste on Sunday, Jul. 24th, 2011 at 3:59 PM
 

I think its important to keep an interest over a long season. I would have gone for 2 if there were also a "consolation" silver pennant for the 3rds and 4ths. But if its between these two options only it has to be three, whether it turns out that I personally am one of the two or three or not.

Jonathan Miles on Sunday, Jul. 24th, 2011 at 4:21 PM
 

Can I get some clarification before voting, please?  When you say "Division," you really mean "division" and not "league" right?  As in, if you vote for "2 teams per division" then you are voting for an 8-team playoff and 3 rounds of series, while voting for "3" means a 12-team, 4-round playoff marathon?

Kevin Martin on Monday, Jul. 25th, 2011 at 9:36 PM
 

That's correct Kevin.  The two per division approach is 8 teams in TMBL, the three per division is 12 teams in TMBL making the playoffs.

Allan Sellers on Monday, Jul. 25th, 2011 at 11:54 PM
 

Looking at the standings right now, it looks like there's still going to be plenty of late-season scrapping for the top two positions in each division, so it seems as if going down to third might dilute that fight if people coast a bit.

James Andrew on Tuesday, Jul. 26th, 2011 at 12:01 AM
 

Ironically, in real life, I would rather see two divisions in each league with only the top team from each division making the playoffs.  Yeah, you heard me right.  Central divisions?  Bah.  East and West.  Winner take all.  Wild card, schmild card.  It's baseball, not ba$eball.  Don't get me started on instant delay...I mean replay.

But, in this game, let's keep the interest up with the extra team in the playoff.

Another drawback for the "wild card" team is that they use some valuable TPA on hitters and pitchers in the post-season, maybe expiring some players, while the division winner sits and waits.  That seems a little heavy consequence for finishing second.....any way to level that playing field?

Phil McIntosh on Tuesday, Jul. 26th, 2011 at 3:45 AM
 

Should the 12-team proposal go though, we could reset player usage to zero after the wild card round and then let things roll from there.  That way the usage would still impact the divisional, league, and Max series.  It would be more like a play-in series of 5 (or 7) games for the right to face the division champ.  Pitcher fatigue would not have to be reset though, so there would still be an advantage for the division winner, who will be all-but guaranteed to have his entire pitching staff rested and ready to go in whatever order is desired.  The wild card round winners will probably have used their ace in the past 2-3 days and won't be able to get 3 starts from them should the series go to a full 7 games.

Without something like that in place for the potential wild card teams we could see a scenario like this:

League A champ swept their series in the division and league rounds, playing just 8 games.

League B champ went the distance in the wild card round (let's say 5 for now), and in the division and league rounds (7 each).  That's 19 games.

So one team is sitting pretty on usage while the other team is already all-but done for as they've played nearly a quarter of the regular season before they even get to game one of the final series.  Unless we set the bar really high for the playoffs (like 1/3 of regular season TPA) you can't account for a team having to play 26 games in a worst-case scenario for usage.  Even an every day starter who never needed to sit all season long could run out of TPA if it were set at 1/4 or lower.

Kevin Martin on Tuesday, Jul. 26th, 2011 at 10:56 PM
 

OK, I've settled on my vote.  The clincher for me?  We're at the halfway point.  If things ended today, and we went with 12 teams, two teams with losing records would make the playoffs.  Losing records in the playoffs belongs to hockey and the NBA.  Never ever ever in baseball.

Kevin Martin on Thursday, Jul. 28th, 2011 at 8:43 PM
 
Mike Cabral on Sunday, Jul. 31st, 2011 at 2:37 PM
 

C-Ball is speechless.

Kevin Martin on Tuesday, Aug. 2nd, 2011 at 2:24 PM
 

Don't believe it C-Ball is *never* speechless!

Rob Peterson on Thursday, Aug. 4th, 2011 at 1:26 AM
 

This poll is now closed.  Thanks to the 21 of 24 managers that voted.

For season 1 we will go with three teams from each division...look for the NEXT discussion topic to work through some details...

Thanks,

Al

Allan Sellers on Thursday, Aug. 4th, 2011 at 10:25 PM
 

Ha,  I voted, but just didn't comment.  Since I am in last, I had the Jim Mora reaction to being asked about playoffs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fjDS0jKiE

Mike Cabral on Saturday, Aug. 6th, 2011 at 5:55 PM