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Playoff Details - Need Feedback
Posted by Allan Sellers on Thursday, Aug. 4th, 2011 at 10:32 PM

Okay, the decision is to have 3 teams from each division for a total of 12 teams in the playoffs.  

I'll make the final decision on the details, but I welcome ideas on how best to structure the playoffs.

For example, is it:

3rd place Northeast plays 2nd place Northeast and the winner plays 1st place Southeast? (with a similar approach throughout)

or

3rd place Northeast plays 2nd place Southeast (and 3rd place SE plays 2nd place NE).   But then who plays which 1st place team gets more complicated.

I'm STRONGLY leaning towards best of 5 series.   We don't play 162, we play 82.   And with this format we have FOUR rounds of playoffs (we had 2 in the old TMBL).   Playing best of 7 probably means between 34-45 calendar days while best of 5 more like 25-35.    Maybe there's a mix in there too of best of 5 and 7?   

Please throw together any ideas you have now that the number of teams is set.  I'll review/consider all ideas.

Thanks!

Al

Readers Comments

Why not make the first round of the playoffs a best of three (3) series, then all remaining rounds would be a best of five (5).  

I would also be in favor of making the final series (i.e. the World Series) a full seven (7) games.

 

P.S. I like parentheses. 

Brian Beerman on Friday, Aug. 5th, 2011 at 6:21 AM
 

Brian's numbers sound good to me too.

Jonathan Miles on Friday, Aug. 5th, 2011 at 9:00 AM
 

I have forgotten already.  Do the first place teams not get a BYE for the first round?  I wish they would especially if the first round of playoffs are 3 games.  Would seem wicked if the first place team busted its butt to get first place but then not only get anything to show for it but to also possibly be ousted by the 3rd place team that ran a hot streak.  

[Same idea for the WEST]

1st Rd. (3 games)

2 EAST divisional leaders with BYEs (A1~A2):

next best record EAST vs. worst record EAST (B1,C99),

the other two EAST teams (B2, C98);

2nd Rd. (5 games)

Top EAST Div. Winner (A1) vs. worst reg. season record EAST team (C99<), other EAST Div. Winner (A2) vs. better reg. season record EAST team (B1>)

3rd Rd. (5 or 7 games)

A1/C99< vs. A2/B1>

World Series (7 games)

EAST vs. WEST

If the above was already the model, just ignore.

Rob Baptiste on Tuesday, Aug. 9th, 2011 at 12:02 AM
 

I'm in favor of each division's 2nd & 3rd place teams playing each other for the Wild Card round, and then swapping for the Divisional Playoff round.  That way the teams that don't outright win the division have to at least prove some division dominance.  Then swap divisions for the 2nd round so the team that spent all season chasing the best team in the league (so far) can at least have a shot at someone else to make the League Series.

In terms of number of games, I like the proposal for 3, 5, 5, 7.  While I'd prefer, 3, 5, 7, 7, that extra two games has the potential to drag on.  A five-game series always adds to the urgency of a win and making sure you get your ace in there for one of the first two games.

Home field (better record starts at home): 3-game series. 2H-1A (make the 2nd place finisher have some advantage over 3rd, and getting the potential to clinch at home in the first two games is as good an advantage is you can get in this league).

5 game series. 2H-2A-1H.  7 game series.  2H-3A-2H.

Equally important: usage percentage?

I vote for 20%.  If you went a full 20 games as a wild card team, that would be 24% of the season (82 games).  If you went the full 17 as a divisional winner, that would be 20%.  So make the wild card teams sweat it out or potentially suffer a penalty later on if they aren't dominating anyone moving through the rounds.  Otherwise there's no real advantage for winning the division or sweeping a playoff opponent.

That 20% would also mean that a player who could only make it 20-25 games in the season would last just one series in the playoffs.  You can't ride the fluke statistic guys with few TPA to a pennant and that's a very good thing in my book.

Kevin Martin on Tuesday, Aug. 9th, 2011 at 2:21 PM
 

I like Brian's format for 3, 5, 5, 7. 

My preference is to keep the competitions withing the division.  This is a shame, because I can apparently beat anyone BUT the teams in my division.

Also, I don't think that it's a fair "advantage" to have the division winners fully stocked while the wild card teams expend their PA's.  I know, I hear the argument that wild cards shouldn't be able to ride part-time players all the way through the playoffs.  But I think it's more egregious to have players from the wild card roster eliminated before a divisional series even begins.  Perhaps setting the % lower, but renewing it for each series.  In that fashion, a team cannot "ride a benchwarmer" through the playoffs, but could reference that player in each series.  That player is available for fewer PA's in each series, but is still available, to a lesser extent in important match ups.

Phil McIntosh on Tuesday, Aug. 9th, 2011 at 9:21 PM
 

Here's my proposal - very similar (if not exactly alike) to others:
 * Wildcard round - 2v3 in each division - best of 3
 * Division round - The Division winner with the better record hosts the Wildcard winner that finished lower / with the worse record. This is done in a best-of-5 series.
 * Conference round - The winners of the Division round face off in a best of 5 series with the higher seed / better record getting HFA.
 * Championship Maximus round - Winners of  Conference round face off in a best of 7 series with the higher seed / better record getting HFA.

I am not a fan of allowing for Use% to be renewed for each round. I feel this is a critical advantage for the teams that win their division and for teams that plan and draft well. Division winners can play anywhere from 7 - 17 games. Wildcard teams can play anywhere from 9 - 20 games. I don't feel we should be planning for full 20 games for TPA usage. I think we should be planning for a high % of the Division winners' potential games. If we plan TPA based on 14 games (80% of 17, rounded up), then that will force *all* managers to use some strategy - do you play your best players and hope for a sweep, or do you find TPAs for bench/role players and gamble on long series? Since I'm basing my argument on 14 games, that equates to 17% of the TPA useage that we allow for the regular season. That's awfully close to Kevin's idea. Normally, I would just cede the extra 3%, but that would be allowing for the full 17 game slate for Division winners, which I'm not sold on (not against - just not sold on).

Rob Peterson on Wednesday, Aug. 10th, 2011 at 1:23 AM
 

Assuming the divisional winner went 17 games and played the max, averaging 4 TPA per game would be 68 TPA needed.  At 15% usage, that's 454 TPA needed (real TPA, not TMBL TPA).  At 20% usage, that would drop to 340.

The guys who would probably not last beyond 2 series would be anyone with 20 or fewer playoff TPA.  That would mean they only play vs. L or R-handed pitching, as many of us do with platooned catchers and corner outfielders.  Those players would be around 130 TPA if at the 15% mark, and 100 TPA at the 20% setting.

So to back up Rob's comments, I would not go any higher than 20% playoff usage, with no reset between rounds.  I am fine with lower numbers, down to 15% if desired.  Any lower than 15% and you start getting into players who can play 2/3 of the season just fine, yet would need a game or two off in order to last through three playoff series.  If you were unlucky and also were a wild card team who went 3 games (and used up 12-14 TPA on your starters), then there's a good chance the platoon players wouldn't last through the Championship round.

Why is that a bad thing?  Because the odds are very good that a team would use their players up just trying to make the championship round.  Why rest a player if doing so means that you have a guy with 2 games left in him, yet you're out of the playoffs?  Burn 'em up and try to advance and get lucky!  You can't play for another day when every game could mean elimination.  So then you have a team get through to the Championship and is half-dead on arrival.  That would make a sham of the Championship series as one team has its good players ready to go while the other is scrambling to fill out the lineup card every day.  Let's try to avoid that scenario.  It's not any fun to be in nor to watch from the bleacher seats for those of us about to eliminated from playoff contention.

Kevin Martin on Wednesday, Aug. 10th, 2011 at 2:56 PM
 

Thank you for your feedback.  Here are the season 1 playoff rules....

Playoffs

·  The top 3 teams from each division will advance to the playoffs.

·  If two teams are tied for the 3rd place spot (same W-L record), a 1 game playoff will occur to determine who gets the spot.   A coin flip will determine which team gets home field advantage in that game.  If needed these games would be played on September 14th (the day after the regular season ends). 

·  If there are no ties for 3rd, BUT there are ties for 1st or 2nd place the tiebreakers will be:

o      Best head to head record of the teams involved

o      Best run differential (head to head games) of the teams involved

o      Best division record

o      Best run differential of the teams involved (overall – 82 games)

·  All teams have a 25-man roster for the playoffs.  Once the playoffs start a team MAY NOT change their 25-man roster.   So make sure when you select your 25-players that these are the guys who can last the ENTIRE playoffs.

·  All players can use up to 20% of their ‘MLB’ PAs in the playoffs.  This is setup at the beginning of the playoffs.  Once a player exceeds 20% then they are ineligible AFTER THAT GAME for the rest of the playoffs.

 

The playoff format will have 4 rounds:

·  Wild Card (Sep. 15 – Sep. 18)

·  Divisional (Sep. 19 – Sep. 25)

·  League Championship (Sep. 26 – Oct. 2)

·  World Series (Oct. 3 – Oct. 11)

 

When games switch ballparks there is one day off between games.

 

Wild Card Round (Sep. 15 – Sep. 18)

·  Best of 3 game series

·  2nd place team vs. 3rd place team in the same division

·  2nd place team plays two at home, then if there is a 3rd game it is played at the 3rd place team’s ballpark.

 

Divisional Round (Sep. 19 – Sep. 25)

·  Best of 5 game series

·  2nd vs. 3rd game winner vs. 1st place team in same league (Atlantic or Pacific)

·  Based on the 4 teams left, the 1st place team with the best record plays the wild card round winner with the worst record (and then the 2nd best 1st place team record plays the 2nd worst record, essentially the other two teams left in that league)

·  The team with the best record plays two at home, followed by two at home for the other team and then a final game (if necessary) for the team with the best record.

 

League Championship (Sep. 26 – Oct. 2)

·  Best of 5 game series

·  The two teams left in each league (Atlantic and Pacific) play each other. 

·  The team with the best record plays two at home, followed by two at home for the other team and then a final game (if necessary) for the team with the best record.

 

World Series (Oct. 3 – Oct. 11)

·  Best of 7 game series

·  The Atlantic and Pacific League winners play each other. 

·  The team with the best record plays two at home, followed by three at home for the other team and then two at home (if necessary) for the team with the best record.

 

For all series, the “BEST TEAM” (i.e. the one who gets home field advantage for that series) is the one who:

·  Had the higher finish in their division

·  Won the most games

·  Best head to head record of the teams involved

·  Best run differential (head to head games) of the teams involved

·  Best division record

·  Best run differential of the teams involved (overall – 82 games)

 

 

 

Allan Sellers on Saturday, Aug. 13th, 2011 at 7:35 PM