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Season 2 and Beyond - Keepers
Posted by Allan Sellers on Sunday, Apr. 1st, 2012 at 3:26 PM

 

Last season we had a Keepers topic and that is found here:

http://www.olmec.org/tmbl/forum_topic.php?topic_id=39

There are some really good ideas on that thread.    Based on what I saw, I think there's momentum on the contracts idea and here is an approach on implementation (which is essentially what other folks have already written):

1) A team has 1 three-year contract, 2 two-year contracts, and 3 one-year contracts.

2) Prior to the draft each team will 'award' whatever contracts they have available.

We would begin this with the time period prior to the start of the season 2 draft.  So prior to the start of season 2, I could sign Cliff Lee to a 3-year contract.  I'd then have him on the club for season 2, 3, and 4.   Prior to the start of season 5 he would be released back to the free agent pool.  Once a player's contract ends, he MAY NOT be signed to a new contract prior to the draft.  It WOULD BE POSSIBLE for you to re-draft him as a free-agent, but that would likely be a long shot.

If Cliff Lee retires and is not available on the season disk in seasons 3 or 4, then I just lost my advantage with the three-year contract.  I don't get a "new 3-year contract" to use until season 5 AND essentially I can only use it on someone who I or someone else (if I get a player via trade) drafted in season 4.

Open question: What happens if I trade a player under contract?  Are there any restrictions on how many players a team can have with 3-year contracts if they have acquired them via trade?  Or maybe there is a requirement that if you "get" a player on a 3-year contract you have to give up a 1st round and 2nd round draft pick next season.    I can intervene in unfair trades, but maybe if there's an offsetting requirement here that allows multiple three-year contracts but with that type of penalty it would be fine.    Again, I'm open to input on this.

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Addendum:

As we all know, the draft is long.  It took a lot of work for Kevin and Phil to run it last season and its impossible to make it perfect all the time the way different lists/priorities are used.

I'd like to see us protect more than 6 players each season to help with some team continuity and also to reduce the rounds/sessions of the draft at the beginning of the season.

But I don't want to do it in a way that allows teams to again just take their top players.

So here's the proposal:

a) Starting with season 2, and in addition to the above, we allow each team to assign 6 more one-year contracts to players they drafted in season 1 in Rounds 13 or higher.   (The specific round number "or higher" is fully open to debate).

b) Starting with season 3, since, in theory, teams are now stocked with 12 teams (and a 1st round pick in season 3 is not the same as in season 1 when ALL players were available) perhaps we reduce the 'starting round' for these 6 players such as Round 10+ or something.

Again, I'm open on what rounds we choose or even a better idea here.   But the bottom line is that I want teams to be at around 12 players before we start the Season 2 draft to help us limit the rounds needed, but ideally not do it in a way that perpetuates the "best teams get better" approach as here the best you can get is 6 players from the previous season for another season…you have to draft well the next season to keep getting these additional quality 6 keepers.  In reality these may be more part-time or relief pitchers.  

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Next steps:

I'd like your comments on this on/before next Saturday April 7th.    The ideas definitely need to be reviewed to ensure we account for odd/marginal cases so we don't miss something.    I know there are other good approaches here.  I think that last season there was a consensus on this type of approach and I think it accounts for:

a) Not letting one good draft allow a team to dominate season after season.

b) Providing us an approach to have a larger number of keepers (with some of those 'NOT' being the all-stars).

Rather than revisit possible options I'm planning to use the above type of approach, but could use your thoughts to perfect it, simplify it, and kick the tires on it to ensure it will work.  Thanks!

Readers Comments

I took a look at the player pool that was taken in rounds 13+ and there are a couple dozen players worthy of being kept. However, with 33 rounds from last year, taking from 13-33 yields 20 roster spots per team to choose from. Keeping 6 of those is 30% of the player pool. I think people will simply end up keeping everyone from rounds 13-18 as the talent severely drops off towards the end. 

I know we want to cut the draft down in length as it does take a long time, but I worry about keeping too many players. If we just assume that the 6 players people will keep will be their #1-6 rounders (of course this won't be entirely true in reality), and then we allow for additional keepers from rounds 13+, then that leaves the effective talent pool being rounds 7-12... only 6 rounds of players for teams to be able to draft from that will have a "significant" impact on their ability to turn their fortunes around. If we push the round # back to Round 15+ and cut the number of keeper selections from an additional 6, to 4, then I think we have a solution that knocks the draft down by 1 full session, and increases the available player pool during the draft for teams to get from the middle of the pack to the top of the hill. 

Rob Peterson on Sunday, Apr. 1st, 2012 at 9:41 PM
 

Players under contract & trading...

I say allow the contracts to trade "as-is". Keep it simple and don't do anything to stunt trading - which needs to be encouraged. 

Allow draft picks to be traded too.... ie... allow C-Ball to trade P Adam Wainwright to Al for a 2nd round pick this year, and a 1st round pick next year. =)

Rob Peterson on Sunday, Apr. 1st, 2012 at 9:48 PM
 

Thanks for your feedback Rob.  I am pushing for six, so if you think we should bump the round number (like start with 15+) then I'm good with that.   Often times we get to these later rounds and people aren't as interested, but we have to do it, so I'm hoping to minimize that and have a more focused draft with a little challenge in figuring out who those 2nd/3rd tier players are.  :-)

I'm okay with leaving it as-is on trading, but would like additional feedback.  I'm okay with trading draft picks too.  Though remember to be nice to the commish on these trades...he's people too!

Allan Sellers on Monday, Apr. 2nd, 2012 at 10:39 PM
 

Does this new software utilize a salary cap?   If it does we could work with that when figuring out the keepers.  That would make everyone have to make some decisions on who to and would force them to let go some of their stars.

Brent Hermack on Tuesday, Apr. 3rd, 2012 at 7:52 PM
 

There is salary information in the database. But would that be getting too complex? I think a salary cap would be the ultimate leveller for keepers, but I would be worried that it would get too involved for a lot of people.

Rob Peterson on Tuesday, Apr. 3rd, 2012 at 9:28 PM
 

On the specific question of trading a player with contract, I think this needs to stay with the player.  You know the specifics of player/contract before the trade and thefefore can either accept, not accept or vary your trading.

I am Ok with Rob's suggestion above.  15 players sounds OK.

I am also Ok with trading draft picks, but would suggest a limit on trades.  You don't want the situation when someone is leaving and trades away all there top picks because they don't care, etc, etc.  Say 4 picks.  Presumably the worst team from previous season is drafting first, etc?

Chris McDougall on Thursday, Apr. 5th, 2012 at 12:08 PM
 

I don't think a salary cap is a bad idea.    I'm just not sure about the salary values in the DB and how those are done.

Chris: how many draft picks traded away are too many?  4 or 5?   

Do we need a number there?  Again, I'm open, but just trying to get some thoughts so we'll have a plan and approach this weekend.  Thanks guys.

Allan Sellers on Thursday, Apr. 5th, 2012 at 5:26 PM