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Youth Cup and possibly running out of players...
Posted by Al Sellers on Friday, Nov. 25th, 2011 at 10:30 PM

Steve asked the following:

re: Youth Cup. Points taken but here's another poser. I have 30 players so would need to sell or trade to make room for another SBY or APP. What happens if the injury happens during session 8 or later when the trade window is closed. Is there a mechanism

Andy added:

There would only be four teams left in the Youth Cup by the time the non-league sales deadline has passed and the game shave been played in that session, so not much chance of it having an affect. But it could happen and I doubt there's anything in place

To clarify...

1) The trade deadline is specific to selling players to the non-league and trades (also there are no auctions).

2) Players that are age V or higher CAN be converted to BRBs after the session 8 deadline and before the session 10 deadline.

3) In addition, you may STILL add SBY/APP from your transactions page (if you have any left) after the session 8 deadline and before the session 10 deadline.

The deadline is really in place for sales and trades.

All teams essentially get 12 SBYs over a 2 season period.  You started with 6 this season.

If you used 4 then you can still use 2 of them next season along with the 6 NEW SBYs you get for season 2.

So again, by having 12 players over that 2-season cycle, unless you are selling all your SBY/APP players, you shouldn't have an issue.

If you do sell them all, get someone injured, and end up without enough SBY/APP players for any Youth Cup match, the following rule kicks in...

 

 

If a team cannot bring up a SBY/APP to meet the requirements of 8 Youth Players for the Youth Cup matches, the following occurs: 1) 40k fine levied, 2) a 0/0 SBY is added to their team.  This is "per offense", thus if a team needs two players to meet the minimums, their fine is 80k.  Should players need to be retired to get under roster limits, the manager should do that on their own (else the commissioner will do at his discretion).  In theory, this should NEVER happen.

 

 

Al

 

 

 

 

 

Readers Comments

"Should players need to be retired to get under roster limits, the manager should do that on their own..."

How can we do this in Session 9 and 10, once the transfer deadline has passed?  If you don't have an Age V (or older) player who you can turn into a BRB, there's no way for us to generate a roster spot.

"...(else the commissioner will do at his discretion)."

Does this mean we would email you and say who we want to retire (presumably for no money) and you would use your discretion to follow our wishes?

Andy Bate on Friday, Nov. 25th, 2011 at 11:31 PM
 

I'm open to opinions on this.   Retiring a player for no money sounds reasonable (lose the money but avoid the fine).  

Al Sellers on Saturday, Nov. 26th, 2011 at 2:14 AM
 

Sounds like a reasonable course of action for a situation that really should never occur.

Brian Beerman on Saturday, Nov. 26th, 2011 at 6:18 PM
 

agreed

Rob Peterson on Sunday, Nov. 27th, 2011 at 5:03 AM
 

"Sounds like a reasonable course of action for a situation that really should never occur."

I'll say again, I have 30 players, which includes 8 youths. If one of those youth players get injured in session 8 I need to sign another. I can't trade away a player, nor convert to BRB and so can't sign another player. Obviously it has never happened in United before.

Steve Turner on Sunday, Nov. 27th, 2011 at 11:44 AM
 

I think the reason you are getting the "its no big deal Steve" reaction is that it hasn't occurred...yet.  :-)

What typically happens at the deadline is that teams sell off 1+ players to earn some income before they age.   Not all teams do, but "many" do.  

The reason is that while its nice to have those "extra 2 CP" at the end of the season (and potentially the following season), teams know they have to make room for the following season's SBY's and auction pickups.

So for your team, the current age IVs are mostly off limits as 3 of 4 will already age into BRB territory and the 4th will if you elect to CP him in one session.

But moving down a tier...your III/8 player is worth 240k this season and 60k to start season 2.  Or your II/9, worth 350k now, 160k next season as a III/6 who becomes a IV/2 (value 0k) in season 3.

On the one hand all of these players are CP earners until they retire.  On the other hand if no one retires there's no room for new players next season.   And if, for example, the III/8 doesn't retire by the session 8 deadline, you can still retire him after session 10, but its at his season 2 (60k) value.

So those are the tradeoffs in play later in the season and its perhaps why we're all so cavalier about "oh that hasn't happened before".   :-)

With all that said...

I would like some opinions on this (as its really a manual, commish intervention, sort of deal):

Perhaps a fine (because the rules say you can't sell after the session 8 deadline; and I like that rule as it forces managers to decide on keeping players for a little more CP or getting income before they age) and then the sale of a non-injured/non-suspended player at the manager's discretion.    I'd set the fine at 40k but am open to opinion.

 

 

 

 

Al Sellers on Sunday, Nov. 27th, 2011 at 4:38 PM
 

I've been in United since the beginning. I don't recall this ever being an issue, though it is possible, especially with Dancin' Dave lurking around.

Rob Peterson on Sunday, Nov. 27th, 2011 at 4:41 PM
 

I like Al's proposal.  Pay the 40k fine.  Sell off a player of manager's choice (non-injured/suspended).  Otherwise, you could simply sell off the injured youth player and replace with a new one, albeit a 0/0, yet still reap the full CP benefits of keeping around the full 22 older players on the 30-man roster.  Or else sell a player you couldn't use in session 10 anyway (due to 2 or 3-game suspension) and still get the max $ for him before aging sets in.

Kevin Martin on Monday, Nov. 28th, 2011 at 7:03 PM
 

Al's proposal makes sense to cover this unlikely scenario. However, can I clarify something Al said:

"Players that are age V or higher CAN be converted to BRBs after the session 8 deadline and before the session 10 deadline."

In such a case, would the BRB be age I on conversion, and so age to II during the Close Season?

Ellis Simpson on Tuesday, Nov. 29th, 2011 at 8:36 AM
 

Ellis: Yes, a player that converts to BRB always converts to age I.  As you noted, that would mean a player converted to BRB during session eight would start the following season at age II.

Brian Beerman on Tuesday, Nov. 29th, 2011 at 11:51 AM
 

Brian: thanks for that.

Ellis Simpson on Tuesday, Nov. 29th, 2011 at 12:31 PM
 

With what you say Al about making room for next season's auction buys and what Kevin says in reply to my other forum post it seems like it's best to sell the player rather than take the CP anyway.

Steve Turner on Tuesday, Nov. 29th, 2011 at 12:40 PM
 
 
 
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